SG meeting 2013.03.27

[3/27/13 2:57:04 PM] Olga Caprotti added Aarne Ranta, Jordi Saludes, Joris van Aart, Mateva, Norbert E. Fuchs to this conversation
[3/27/13 2:57:54 PM] Olga Caprotti added Lauri Carlson to this conversation
[3/27/13 2:57:58 PM] Olga Caprotti: hello
[3/27/13 2:58:11 PM] Olga Caprotti: I added LAuri because I do not have Inari's contact
[3/27/13 2:58:16 PM] Aarne Ranta: hello Olga
[3/27/13 2:58:27 PM] Jordi Saludes: Hello
[3/27/13 2:58:31 PM] Olga Caprotti: hello Aarne, I was preparing the call
[3/27/13 2:58:49 PM] Olga Caprotti: Seppo is the deputy of Lauri
[3/27/13 2:58:57 PM] Norbert E. Fuchs: Norbert: I cannot hear anything.
[3/27/13 2:58:58 PM] Olga Caprotti added Seppo to this conversation
[3/27/13 2:59:01 PM] Aarne Ranta: Inari is off line anyway
[3/27/13 2:59:22 PM] Olga Caprotti: i can email to lauri and seppo
[3/27/13 2:59:28 PM] Olga Caprotti: a reminder
[3/27/13 2:59:38 PM] Mateva: hello, do you need inari's contact?
[3/27/13 2:59:40 PM] Olga Caprotti: nef, we are not on the voice line
[3/27/13 2:59:53 PM] Norbert E. Fuchs: OK
[3/27/13 3:00:04 PM] Mateva added inarilistenmaa to this conversation
[3/27/13 3:00:19 PM] Mateva: i will be back in 3 minutes
[3/27/13 3:00:37 PM] Aarne Ranta: Olga will you start the call?
[3/27/13 3:00:59 PM] Olga Caprotti: no aarne, i am on the home wifi, not high speed, it is best you host
[3/27/13 3:01:08 PM] Aarne Ranta: OK I will
[3/27/13 3:01:52 PM] Aarne Ranta: Call started, 5 minutes 36 seconds
[3/27/13 3:04:26 PM] Mateva: is the call on?
[3/27/13 3:05:36 PM] Olga Caprotti: yes maria - we are figuring it out
[3/27/13 3:05:54 PM] Mateva: sorry, can you call me again
[3/27/13 3:06:54 PM] Olga Caprotti: i just added you maria, do you see the call?
[3/27/13 3:07:11 PM] Mateva: no
[3/27/13 3:07:31 PM] Aarne Ranta: Call ended, 5 minutes 36 seconds
[3/27/13 3:08:13 PM] Olga Caprotti: pls aarne can you call again
[3/27/13 3:08:31 PM] Olga Caprotti: there was a misunderstanding with Maria
[3/27/13 3:08:45 PM] Olga Caprotti: she and Joris are waiting fro the call
[3/27/13 3:08:46 PM] Mateva: hm, I just tried to call in
[3/27/13 3:08:55 PM] Olga Caprotti: you cannot do that on skype
[3/27/13 3:09:10 PM] Jordi Saludes: I hung up too.
[3/27/13 3:09:19 PM] Olga Caprotti: otherwise we all get another call
[3/27/13 3:09:26 PM] Olga Caprotti: parallel to the one we are in
[3/27/13 3:09:32 PM] Mateva: oh
[3/27/13 3:09:37 PM] Olga Caprotti: Olga Caprotti has ejected inarilistenmaa from this conversation
[3/27/13 3:09:59 PM] Olga Caprotti: aarne, we are only missing UHEL now
[3/27/13 3:10:38 PM] Olga Caprotti: is anybody reading me here?
[3/27/13 3:10:48 PM] Mateva: yes
[3/27/13 3:10:48 PM] Norbert E. Fuchs: I do.
[3/27/13 3:10:56 PM] Jordi Saludes: yes. But still no call for me.
[3/27/13 3:10:57 PM] Aarne Ranta: Call started, 1 hour 11 minutes 57 seconds
[3/27/13 3:11:19 PM] Olga Caprotti: do you see the topic of this conversation?
[3/27/13 3:11:25 PM] Olga Caprotti: it says MARCH SG call
[3/27/13 3:11:30 PM] Olga Caprotti: it is the current one
[3/27/13 3:12:05 PM] Olga Caprotti: usual agenda
[3/27/13 3:12:41 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: (Joris) we have had 2 more explanation engines for ontologies
[3/27/13 3:14:01 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: we have sentences from old and from new prototypes - there are fragments produced by LEMON esp. lexicons, it is crucial for doing many languages however we can only do english so far- so we can only look at english - we had to come up with an alternative to do more langauges
[3/27/13 3:14:18 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: our data for evaluation is only in English - not so useful.
[3/27/13 3:14:44 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: we need to fix the LEMON lexication but this is a huge effort - quite a setback
[3/27/13 3:15:45 PM] Mateva: Inari replied in mail
[3/27/13 3:16:02 PM] Mateva: she is onlline now
[3/27/13 3:16:12 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: BI: we thought more languages would be supported by LEMON but when we tried to use it (in production) the only lexicon we could use was English. We need tagging - we might do it manually - for the evaluation for Dutch - our main lang pair was NL-EN
[3/27/13 3:17:01 PM] Mateva added Inari Listenmaa to this conversation
[3/27/13 3:17:08 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: will you solve this before the review?
[3/27/13 3:17:13 PM] Aarne Ranta added Inari Listenmaa to this conversation
[3/27/13 3:17:17 PM] Olga Caprotti: BI: yes - we might have to do it manually
[3/27/13 3:18:05 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Ok, I'm here
[3/27/13 3:18:05 PM] Olga Caprotti: Inari did you just join?
[3/27/13 3:18:10 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Mic problems probably once again
[3/27/13 3:18:14 PM] Olga Caprotti: do you have a mic?
[3/27/13 3:18:15 PM] Inari Listenmaa: But i can listen
[3/27/13 3:18:20 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Yes
[3/27/13 3:18:29 PM] Olga Caprotti: Olga Caprotti has ejected Lauri Carlson from this conversation
[3/27/13 3:19:44 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: 3 isssues, evaluation : wiki gf logging and stability improved, design of evaluation was long discussion, i will be one of the external evaluator and there will beother 2
[3/27/13 3:19:59 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: we sent sentences to Jussi
[3/27/13 3:20:15 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: we are waiting for feedback -
[3/27/13 3:20:24 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Jussi will be traveling next week
[3/27/13 3:20:30 PM] Inari Listenmaa: But he's got them
[3/27/13 3:20:36 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: acewiki gf is using a GF service on our service
[3/27/13 3:21:08 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: flagship, please play around and send us feedback
[3/27/13 3:21:26 PM] Olga Caprotti: NEF: sent report by email - (will be in the minutes)
[3/27/13 3:24:00 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: WP4 ended long time ago but we are working an annex on a deliverable due on 5th april. we have other two more urgent deliverables on may 31st - the new doc will clarify details of the grammar-ontology interoperability: we expect the part on generation sparql gf from UGOT
[3/27/13 3:25:13 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: we would like the partners' contribution to extend wbk to ita, fre, ger.  in WP4 -- verbalization of predicates in the ontology.
[3/27/13 3:26:19 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: aarne pls take a look at how we do the mapping from the ontology predicates to gf types
[3/27/13 3:29:50 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: eclipse plugin -- we promised some bug fixing, early April. Not really using it because of the many issues
[3/27/13 3:30:06 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: lexicons needed for the grammar for the demo
[3/27/13 3:30:26 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: examples in the demo need the lexicons absolutely
[3/27/13 3:30:55 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: cannot meet the evaluation deadline unless lexicons are in- please prioritize this.
[3/27/13 3:32:17 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: WP8 we are working on the prototype - lots of effort with Dana
[3/27/13 3:32:35 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: in my opinion it is looking great
[3/27/13 3:32:52 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: elegant generation of sparql - publication possible
[3/27/13 3:33:20 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: deadline for book extended to apr. 21st
[3/27/13 3:33:53 PM] Olga Caprotti: oops
[3/27/13 3:33:58 PM] Olga Caprotti: pls add me back
[3/27/13 3:35:32 PM] Mateva: foo
[3/27/13 3:35:36 PM] Aarne Ranta: yes
[3/27/13 3:35:37 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I see the minutes also
[3/27/13 3:35:40 PM] Jordi Saludes: me too
[3/27/13 3:35:51 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Do you want me to add Jussi to the conversation? He has a mic that works
[3/27/13 3:36:07 PM] Inari Listenmaa added Jussi Rautio to this conversation
[3/27/13 3:37:25 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: hello Jussi, do you have questions to ontotext+
[3/27/13 3:37:37 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: no, have to think a bit
[3/27/13 3:39:28 PM] Olga Caprotti: JS: cristina is finalizing the library for wp5, and the deliverable is work in progress - wp7 by meritxell, they are creating syntactic measures for the lexicons, olga seb and i working on the flagship for mathematics: we can express definition of a prime number. oc working on spanish and italian. we present it in madrid.
[3/27/13 3:42:48 PM] Jussi Rautio: are there any guesstimates about when the maths flagship has some word problems to quality evaluate?
[3/27/13 3:44:21 PM] Olga Caprotti: JS: d6.3 has to be made final - OC is reviewing it
[3/27/13 3:44:40 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Btw when is the final molto meeting?
[3/27/13 3:44:57 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: do the final logistics fo rthe meeting
[3/27/13 3:45:18 PM] Olga Caprotti: OC: to do - finalize details of the MOLTO meeting
[3/27/13 3:45:37 PM] Jordi Saludes: have to go out for 1 min.
[3/27/13 3:45:49 PM] Olga Caprotti: @Inari: http://www.molto-project.eu/meeting/final-project-meeting
[3/27/13 3:46:01 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: we planned wedn thu fri
[3/27/13 3:46:05 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Olga: Ok, thanks!
[3/27/13 3:46:25 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: we add 22nd for preparation
[3/27/13 3:47:36 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Yeah
[3/27/13 3:47:42 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Jussi can talk about 9 at least
[3/27/13 3:47:51 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: TODO apr. 3rd schedule a call for organizing the meeting (12:00-18:00)
[3/27/13 3:48:21 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: are we implementing the TAUS API for the hybrid systems?
[3/27/13 3:48:38 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: is is worth doing?
[3/27/13 3:48:48 PM] Jordi Saludes: I'm back
[3/27/13 3:48:59 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: i think it would be easy to implement afterwards
[3/27/13 3:49:13 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: we have no resources in UHEL to implement it.
[3/27/13 3:49:33 PM] Inari Listenmaa: LA is basically our only programmer and he's working 16.5 hrs/week
[3/27/13 3:50:41 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I'd like to ask about the GF cloud things
[3/27/13 3:51:22 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Aarne mentioned some time ago that UGOT is planning an integration of Syntax editor and Simple translation tool. Is this still happening?
[3/27/13 3:51:48 PM] Aarne Ranta: This integration has higher priority than the TAUS standard
[3/27/13 3:51:56 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I agree
[3/27/13 3:53:04 PM] Inari Listenmaa: D3.3 deadline is sunday, can we write cloud toosl integration in it?
[3/27/13 3:53:34 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: looks like TAUS API is made more for project management than for translation
[3/27/13 3:53:36 PM] Inari Listenmaa: We abandoned GS
[3/27/13 3:53:43 PM] Inari Listenmaa: We're doing Pootle instead
[3/27/13 3:53:47 PM] Olga Caprotti: ooooh
[3/27/13 3:53:54 PM] Olga Caprotti: when do we get a demo?
[3/27/13 3:54:08 PM] Inari Listenmaa: When LauriA has it ready
[3/27/13 3:54:21 PM] Inari Listenmaa: He's the bottleneck, the only good programmer with 2 working days a week
[3/27/13 3:54:32 PM] Inari Listenmaa: :D
[3/27/13 3:54:33 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Alright
[3/27/13 3:54:35 PM] Olga Caprotti: are you more satisfied with it?
[3/27/13 3:54:48 PM] Inari Listenmaa: :---D
[3/27/13 3:54:50 PM] Inari Listenmaa: No it's not
[3/27/13 3:55:17 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: general advice, make sure the due deliverables are clear, and honest
[3/27/13 3:55:22 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Yes
[3/27/13 3:56:05 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I'm sorry, I didn't realize nobody hadn't informed you
[3/27/13 3:56:50 PM] Olga Caprotti: OC: i guess Pootle is good news
[3/27/13 3:57:09 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: Jussi are you still waiting for some eval material?
[3/27/13 3:57:22 PM] Inari Listenmaa: @Olga: It is, already the first prototypes are much more simple and usable than GS ever was
[3/27/13 3:57:38 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: got patent material today - will  look  at it next week - not avail. before
[3/27/13 3:58:15 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: the most difficult thing is to find evaluators, they have to be professional
[3/27/13 3:58:37 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: how urgent are the ontotext samples?
[3/27/13 3:58:56 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: everything is now urgent - we are running out of time
[3/27/13 3:59:35 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: please send samples asap
[3/27/13 4:00:15 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: UGOT will look at the grammars, ontotext will prepare the texts
[3/27/13 4:01:22 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: about the query languages - i understand the museum query languages are sent to professionals - will they evaluate the linguistic quality?
[3/27/13 4:01:47 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: we will not have as many experts as we planned. will be able to do only for some languages
[3/27/13 4:02:09 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: can you create some queries for which the can get answers?
[3/27/13 4:02:35 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: i will send you the demo link.
[3/27/13 4:02:42 PM] Mateva: museum.ontotext.com
[3/27/13 4:03:11 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: working wrt to dbpedia paintings but more will come
[3/27/13 4:03:55 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: it does not generate all kinds of sentences because some data is not available in dbpedia (eg color of painting)
[3/27/13 4:04:46 PM] Olga Caprotti: MM: i am a fan of this grammar generating sparql
[3/27/13 4:05:18 PM] Olga Caprotti: JR: math word problems -
[3/27/13 4:05:53 PM] Olga Caprotti: JS: check the wiki http://www.molto-project.eu/wiki/living-deliverables/d63-assistant-solvi...
[3/27/13 4:05:56 PM] Jordi Saludes: lot of echo for me
[3/27/13 4:06:33 PM] Aarne Ranta: WP6 provide examples as a multilingual treebank to evaluate
[3/27/13 4:07:29 PM] Olga Caprotti: @JR, MM: I am the contact point for requests for evaluation
[3/27/13 4:07:54 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: practice: send to the whole molto - he who feels responsible answers
[3/27/13 4:09:32 PM] Inari Listenmaa: A second
[3/27/13 4:09:51 PM] Inari Listenmaa: You can include me in the molto organizatory emails
[3/27/13 4:09:57 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Seppo is having a baby in a few days
[3/27/13 4:10:06 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Yes :P
[3/27/13 4:10:27 PM] Olga Caprotti: ok Inari - you are now the deputy of Lauri then
[3/27/13 4:10:47 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Yeah, if I had known of this meeting earlier, I would've brought my laptop
[3/27/13 4:10:55 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: DD presented the paintings today, also worked on hybrid systems
[3/27/13 4:11:04 PM] Inari Listenmaa: By the way, did Maria mention that we've also produced input for D4.3A
[3/27/13 4:11:19 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: WP5 and WP3 overlap in the robust parser
[3/27/13 4:11:57 PM] Olga Caprotti: AR: we'd like to send materials for eval using the robust parser
[3/27/13 4:12:48 PM] Olga Caprotti: (I must go -- pls add minutes yourself here) I will cut&paste when back
[3/27/13 4:12:55 PM] Olga Caprotti: bye - happy easter
[3/27/13 4:12:57 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I can add minutes
[3/27/13 4:13:21 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Bye!
[3/27/13 4:15:25 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: using GF needs some training and learning
[3/27/13 4:15:57 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: we want to quantify how much effort needed to train people to use GF
[3/27/13 4:16:16 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: BeInformed has been aware of this, categorization of different level of skills
[3/27/13 4:17:06 PM] Inari Listenmaa: MM: Borislav & Maria ( & Petar,  milen) have some comments
[3/27/13 4:17:34 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: we have found lots of little errors in rgl
[3/27/13 4:17:45 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: main thing keeping me busy with gf
[3/27/13 4:18:32 PM] Inari Listenmaa: AR: still TODO, some of the bugs found in ACE are RGL bugs
[3/27/13 4:18:50 PM] Inari Listenmaa: JR: Phrasebook is also revealing RGL bugs
[3/27/13 4:19:14 PM] Inari Listenmaa: JR: Polish Phrasebook problems; rgl problems, some things you can't even say in POlish
[3/27/13 4:20:50 PM] Inari Listenmaa: MM: also in Bulgarian some phrases sounds strange. Hesitation in evaluating, tradeoff between "can be said like this, perfectly said like this". Important to advise people how to evaluate.
[3/27/13 4:21:00 PM] Inari Listenmaa: JR: evaluators commented that there is no context
[3/27/13 4:21:29 PM] Inari Listenmaa: I don't have anything to add either
[3/27/13 4:22:51 PM] Inari Listenmaa: Bye
[3/27/13 4:22:54 PM] Aarne Ranta: Call ended1 hour 11 minutes 57 seconds